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Tuesday, May 04, 2010

Undoing The Damage Henry VIII Started

& has only gotten worse the further the Anglican Church has drifted from its roots. I also find it interesting, but NOT surprizing that the Anglican Bishops did an endrun arround the RC Bishops from England. Many of them are further afield from orthodoxy than the Anglican Church as a whole is.
& Archbishop Rowan Williams better wake up & realize that asking Bishops like these to stay while continuing to slap them in the face by going further afield from orthodoxy isn't going to work. & that this is only the 1st wave as well.
As for what the Rev Vincent Nichols, the Archbishop of Westminster said about this proving embarrassing for the Catholic Church, the only embarrassment I can see is for those "RC" Bishops who will have to explain why they are sO far adrift from the truths of the Catholic Church. & for that they have no one to blame for it but themselves. It should be clear that there is little love lost for the Catholic Church in places like the Foreign Office as recent events have shown. It should also be clear that Papa Benedetto is more concerned about people's souls than a little embarrassment of those who should care & aren't doing it as they should. This is not to say that he is intentionally aiming to embarrass them. It is to say that Papa Benedetto knows what should come 1st.


Anglican bishops in secret Vatican summit
Leading traditionalist bishops in the Anglican Church have secretly told senior Vatican officials that they are ready to defect to Rome, taking clergy with them.
In a move likely to raise tensions between the two Churches, a group of Church of England bishops met last week with advisers of Pope Benedict XVI to set in motion steps that would allow priests to convert to Catholicism en masse.
They are set to resign their orders in opposition to the introduction of women bishops and to lead an exodus of Anglican clerics to the Catholic Church despite Dr Rowan Williams, the Archbishop of Canterbury, urging them not to leave.
It would be the first time for nearly 20 years that large numbers of priests have crossed from the Church of England to Rome, and comes only weeks ahead of a crucial General Synod debate on making women bishops.
The Sunday Telegraph has learnt that bishops travelled to the Holy See last week to hold face to face discussions with senior members of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, the most powerful of the Vatican's departments.
The Rt Rev John Broadhurst, the Rt Rev Keith Newton and the Rt Rev Andrew Burnham, the bishops of Fulham, Richborough and Ebbsfleet respectively, are understood to have informed senior Catholic officials that Church of England clergy are keen to defect to Rome.
It is the first significant response to the Papal offer made last year, which opened the doors for Anglicans to convert while retaining key elements of their tradition.
The Most Rev Vincent Nichols, the Archbishop of Westminster, was unaware of the summit, which is likely to prove embarrassing to the Catholic Church ahead of the Pope's visit to Britain later this year as it will rekindle fears that it is trying to poach Anglican clergy.
One source close to last week's discussions said that the Anglican bishops raised concerns with the Vatican officials that there is opposition to them defecting from Catholic bishops in England.
Nevertheless, they made clear they have become so disillusioned with the Church's liberal direction that they are keen to accept the Pope's offer if they can finalise plans to implement it.
The Vatican summit will raise the stakes at the General Synod in July when the Church of England's parliament will vote on how to treat traditionalist clergy opposed to the introduction of women bishops.
Although the number of priests who have openly said that they plan to defect has been small so far, the group is likely to grow if they are not given adequate provisions.
A leading Anglican cleric said: "This will seriously embarrass the Pope.
"It's a plot within the Vatican that they are desperate to keep quiet until they are ready to go public.
"Many will see this as proof that the Catholic Church is intent on poaching clergy from the Church of England despite its reassurances to the contrary."


Anglo-Catholic bishops say yes to Rome
[Update: A leading Anglo-Catholic source contacts me this morning naming several English Catholic bishops whom he thinks were in Rome for this summit. He confirms that "very few people on our side" (ie, the C of E) knew it was happening.]
A fascinating update on the Ordinariate story tonight from Jonathan Wynne-Jones: the Church of England bishops of Fulham, Richborough and Ebbsfleet have basically said yes to the Pope’s offer. They were at the Vatican last week to discuss the details, apparently. The RC Bishops of England and Wales are hopelessly divided on the Ordinariate scheme, so Bishops John Broadhurst, Keith Newton and Andrew Burnham have gone to the top. Very wise.
The Sunday Telegraph story says Archbishop Vincent Nichols of Westminster was unaware of the Vatican meeting. That implies a serious collapse of confidence in the English Catholic hierarchy on the part of the Anglicans – you would expect +Vin to be in the picture even if his colleagues weren’t. But see update above: senior Anglo-Catholic sources reckon at least one member of the English hierarchy was in Rome, so that makes it inconceivable that Archbishop Nichols didn’t know. But, as Jonathan writes: “One source close to last week’s discussions said that the Anglican bishops raised concerns with the Vatican officials that there is opposition to them defecting from Catholic bishops in England.”
At which point it’s time to sound a note of reassurance. The CDF isn’t going to allow the likes of +Kieran Conry to demolish this historic new structure. The more trouble the English bishops cause, the less influence they will have over the Ordinariate. I wonder: given that anyone attending an Ordinariate Mass will fulfil his or her Sunday obligation, is this an escape route for cradle Catholics, too?

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