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Sunday, October 14, 2007

Another Look at Ann Coulter on Judaism & Christianity

In this case, it is an article on LifeSite that accuses Donny Deutsch of being the real intolerant bigot:
"CNBC's Big Idea host Donny Deutsch has shown himself to be an intolerant bigot when it comes to Christianity. During a program with conservative commentator Ann Coulter he mercilessly attempted to smear her as anti-Semitic for expressing the belief that all people, Jewish believers included, should become Christian - normal for any truly believing (as opposed to phony, nominal or cultural) Christian who must consider Christianity to be the truth."
"After a diversion to another topic Deutsch brought the conversation back to his desired topic. "You said I should not - we should just throw Judaism away and we should all be Christians, then, or," he said as Coulter cut him off matter-of-factly with "Yeah."
The affirmation of belief in a solitary truth obviously was anathema to Deutsch's relativistic fervor as he continued with incredulity saying, "You can't possibly believe that." Painting all sincerely believing Christians as ignorant Deutsch continued, "You can't possibly - you're too educated, you can't."
Outrageously, from that point Deutsch began a more vigorous attempt to smear Coulter associating a sincerely held belief in the truth of Christianity with extermination of the Jews. "Why don't I put you with the head of Iran? I mean, come on. You can't believe that," persisted Deutsch."
Deutch goes on to ask her if she means the following (quoting Ahmadinejad): ""Let's wipe Israel off the earth." I mean, what, no Jews?"
But as the author points out: "Here Coulter referred to the fact that Christianity regards itself as the completion or perfection of Judaism since Christ was the fulfillment of the Old Testament and God's revelation to mankind. Coulter said, "No, we think - we just want Jews to be perfected, as they say.""
The author ends the article with this: "Newsflash for secular humanists who adhere to the credo of relativism: Christians worth their salt believe they have the one true religion and the greatest happiness both in this world and in the next comes with accepting the Truth, and living it."
I don't regularly watch Mr. Deutch's show, so I can't say for sure, but I highly doubt he got in high dudgeon when Ahmadinejad actually called for wiping Israel off the face of the Earth like he did with Ms. Coulter. A desire for all Jews to come to a saving knowledge of Jesus the Messiah is far different from calling for the anihilation of an entire people. Yet, Deutch has no problem saying that caring for a person's salvation is the same as genocide, ethnic cleansing & the like.
Elsewhere Steve Gilbert posted an article (Coulter Blasted For Espousing Christian Dogma) that quotes Fr. Richard John Neuhaus via his website, First Things: "The Roman Missal modified by Pope Paul VI in 1969, and put into effect in 1970, has this formulation: “Let us pray for the Jewish people, the first to hear the word of God, that they may continue to grow in the love of his name and in faithfulness to his covenant.” The following prayer is this: “Almighty and eternal God, long ago you gave your promise to Abraham and his posterity. Listen to your Church as we pray that the people you first made your own may arrive at the fullness of redemption.”
Of course some Jews may be offended at the suggestion that the fullness of redemption is found in Jesus Christ, but their problem is with Christianity as such… "
Gilbert also gives a couple other examples. This is taken from the Oxford University Guide To the New Testament: "The Epistle to the Hebrews asserts the superiority of Christ to the prophets, the angels, Moses, Joshua, and the Jewish priesthood. Christ brings a superior covenant, a superior tabernacle, and makes a superior sacrifice. Like many other authors whose task is Christian self-definition, this author uses the Hebrew Scriptures to illustrate the authenticity of his claims. For example, several Old Testament prophets mention a new covenant that God will make with the Jews. Drawing on Platonic thought, this author argues that the old covenant was a foreshadowing of the new, an imperfect reflection of a perfect reality.
Scholars do not know when or where this book was written. It is clear, though, that the author was concerned to define group boundaries. He argued that Christianity represented the perfection of Judaism. Christianity was the religion foretold by the prophets. Those who did not believe that Jesus was the Messiah, moreover, were not the true people of God."
& this from the Catholic Encyclopedia entry on the New Testament: " Other doctrines, specifically Christian, are not added on to Judaism to develop, but rather to supersede it. In reality, between the New and Old Testaments there is a direct but not revolutionary succession as a superficial observer might be inclined to believe; just as in living beings, the imperfect state of yesterday must give way before the perfection of today although the one has normally prepared the other. If the mystery of the Trinity and the spiritual character of the Messianic Kingdom are ranked among the peculiarly Christian dogmas, it is because the Old Testament was of itself insufficient to establish the doctrine of the New Testament on this subject; and still more because, at the time of Jesus, the opinions current among the Jews went decidedly in the opposite direction."
His post also points out how the media is misquoting Ann Coulter. She actually said: "(W)e just want Jews to be perfected." Yet headline after headline claims she said: "Jews Need to Be Perfected."
Noel Sheppard reports that Ann Coulter said this to Steve Malzberg of WOR Radio Thursday 11 Oct (audio available here): "I stated the doctrine of Christianity. Apparently, as we're always told in church, but you don't always, you don't always see it, Christianity is a radical and offensive doctrine. But I think, um, we'll see, I don't think most Jews are as stupid as Donny Deutsch."
"That comes from that raging anti-Semite St. Paul. This is a straight statement of Christian doctrine...This is what Christians believe. We believe the Old Testament, and we think the New Testament completes that. I mean, the New Testament is obviously anticipating some Christ coming. Jews say, "Not that Christ. You got the wrong one."...I was just saying that we consider when Jews become Christians, that is becoming a perfected Jew. And that is precisely the theological term."
Another interesting fact that pops up in a lot of the stories is that Hilary's buddies at Media Matters are behind the outrage. Could this be a preemptive strike against the Republicans? A possible scenerio comes to mind. (& I have no proof. This is only a suggestion, but a logical 1.) Attack the Republicans for being in bed with "fundamentalist" Christianity to help get Giuliani nominated to show they aren't. If that happens it results in exactly what they want. Keeping Pro-Life people from voting for Rudy & handing the election to the Dems. IF (& this is a big if) this is true, it is another reason to be sure that we work to get a strong Pro-Life Republican nominated.
& it also accomplishes another thing. It smears any orthodox Church teaching that doesn't fit into their liberal relativistic religion. Isn't this like what Nero did when he burned Rome?, blame the true Christians for something that isn't true about them to silence them & get rid of them. This seems to me to be more evidence that we are entering into a period of major persecution against Christianlity. (This is something I'll have to go more into at another time.)

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