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Thursday, April 30, 2009

Presbyterian Church (U.S.A.) Rejects Gay Clergy

Barely. But the article does raise a question. How long before they follow the same disasterous road the Episcopal Church has? Given the Presbyterian Church (U.S.A.) [PCUSA] stand on homosexuality it is only a matter of time. Then watch a similar exodus to that we are seeing in the Episcopal Church.
I know that there has already been local churches that have split from the Presbyterian Church (U.S.A.) for other branches of Prebyterianism that are more faithful to traditional Christian dogma. 1 of those is here in DBQ. A few years ago 3rd Presbyterian voted to leave the PCUSA & affiliate with the Evangelical Presbyterian Church (EPC) instead. 3rd Pres was called that because it was the 3rd Presbyterian Church to open in DBQ. Some friends of mine who belong told me that the name change to GracePoint came about at the insistance of the PCUSA.
FYI: The EPC is Pro-Life. The PCUSA says that "The considered decision of a woman to terminate a pregnancy can be a morally acceptable, though certainly not the only or required, decision." I won't go into the whole set of contortions it does to justify that stand that, despite the PCUSA claims to the contrary, is pro-abortion.
What I see happenning is what is has occured with the Episcopal Church, there will be an influx into the Catholic Church because it has the fullness of truth. & always will, despite the efforts of some groups to get it go the way the PCUSA & Episcopal Churchs have. Something tells me that as the PCUSA goes further down the road it is on The Coming Home Network will be seeing an increase in activity. Esp since the President and Founder of CHNI, Marcus Grodi, was himself a Presbyterian.


Presbyterian Church gay clergy bid gains, but is voted down again
The margin of defeat is guaranteed to be narrower than in recent years' balloting on the measure to allow gays and lesbians to serve as Presbyterian Church (U.S.A) clergy.

Associated Press
April 26, 2009
Efforts to allow gays and lesbians to serve as clergy in the Presbyterian Church (U.S.A.) have been defeated again, sealed by votes tallied Saturday.But the margin of defeat -- the final tally has yet to be determined -- is guaranteed to be closer than in previous years. That is encouraging for supporters of gay clergy and cause for concern for opponents, with both sides expecting the issue to be revisited.
Last summer, the General Assembly of the 2.3-million-member denomination voted to drop a constitutional requirement that would-be ministers, deacons and elders live in "fidelity within the covenant of marriage between a man and a woman, or chastity in singleness."Any such change requires approval by a majority of the nation's 173 presbyteries, or regional church bodies. Those votes have been trickling in for months. On Saturday enough "no" votes had been recorded to clinch the measure's defeat.At least two presbyteries -- Northern Plains, which covers North Dakota and part of Minnesota; and Boise, which covers the Idaho capital -- voted against the amendment Saturday, said activist groups and an independent Presbyterian website,
Presbyweb.
Before Saturday, the total was 68 presbyteries for and 86 opposed, one shy of the margin needed for defeat, according to Presbyterian News Service, the denomination's press arm.

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